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Pomoc sa frost mageom 3.3.5a patch

139 pregleda · 14 odgovora · otvorena 30.11.2010. u 00:32

E ovako ...molimo bih nekoga da mi objasni kako da igram
sa frsot mageom...ali bih molio da upute budu vise za pro igraca posto nisam noob.,,msm jesam ali znam osnovne stvari imao sam rating u areni 1600....ali mi trebaju upute za mage/mage pvp arenu i nike cool tricks koje znate .....kao npr ona fora sa blink i tako ........ii ako neko zna kako brzo da ubijem neku classu sa mageom neka post pls....xD .D:D:D:D
Ako nisi noob, valjda razumiješ engleski

PVP tips and tricks

For frost PvP is very different than for a fire/arcane mage, different classes are now dangerous and some classes that were initally feared are no longer. For PvP I would recommend using Either the 30/21 arcane/frost build, the francis to the forum trolls, or the 33/18 frost/arcane build. The latter is at a bit of a disadvantage on the alliance side due to purge cleaning ice barrier, but most of the time in real pvp priests don't have time to dispell so horde should think more about this. Unfortunately shamans are rampant so alliance is a bit....well moving on. Also here in the PvP section is 30/21 Fire/frost, but it behaves like a fire build so I will leave it be for a bit.


General Tips

1. Burst damage and you: To get burst damage against a target the best way is the FN+FB+CoC combo, if you have a little damage gear this crits for a little over 2K damage often enough, and can be relied on to produce 1.5 K. Throw in a fire blast and your looking like a fire mage. The problem is that A) you have to get close, which in a big battle is unpleasent, and they have to stand still for the 2.5 sec frost bolt. The solution to both of these problems, and the end to many cocky shamans and fire mages, is counterspell right after the nova. Counterspell is not on the universal cooldown so the effect is instantaneous, meaning they are snared and silenced for 4 seconds guarunteed (no resists, duh). You then Wind up the combo and let fly. If you are playing the 30/21 a PoM fireball is the next step. the 3K damage this should do with a bare minimum of effort can kill. Arcane explosion to death, since scorch is not so good.

2. Never forget fire: Fire rocks period, yoou should never allow the fire tree to grow rusty, fireblast, fire ball and scorch are core skills. Scorch is the least usefulll as your frost bolt is swift but never allow fireblast to be off cooldown for long periods of time. Fireballs are very much better as an opener against a sheeped spell caster. Level one fireballs are a must against rogues, either before or after the frost bolt. I do after but honestly I think before is better, that way he can't vanish if he is mashing the button, plus remeber that sheep disorients a player more often than not and it takes a second to get his bearing durng which he is snared. Oops Well I will say the same thing in the rogue section.

3. Group PvP: Stay back, lob snares at people who hate being snared and watch the damage rack up. If someone decides to make you his love slave then run around FN, coc and IAE, throwing fireblsts over your shoulder. Iceblock if its clear your gonna die and shout for help. Leave the ice block up for the duration, you can be healed through it.

4. Movement: Alot of people back up, this is dumb, you can run sideways at full speed and still target and enemy behind you. This is true for pve too, run sideways once you FN then nuke once a ways away.


Against Classes

Rogues: Welcome to sweet revenge. Rogues are you little choir boys now. True that the greatest rogue in the world will kill you as so many have complained but 99.99999999999 percent of the time this is an auto win. I have lost once to a rogue on my server and that was because I was farming satyrs and had 150 hp and 3 mana, (I came back and killed her 4 times, not once did she hurt me). If you are 33/18 it takes a bit more skill than 30/21 but is equally doable. First the battle has two stages. Pre poly, and post poly. The first thing is to poly them once thats done its rote. First Put up a mana shield, and if you have it an ice barrier. This absorbs the first blow, which if they are smart is an ambush (big damage no stun), blink, poly morph. If they vanish run and spam level one arcane explosion, if you catch them FN, once blink timer is up again your good for another round. If you are dealing with an especially tricky rogue, he might blind you when you frost nova him the second time. If he does this Ice block through it and poly morph him. remeber that polymorph has no facing requirements, their gouge (sleep breaks on damage, no blink, you must be facing them), does, so, polymorph with you back turned once the blink goes off. If the rogue is an absolute go and you are running 30/21 PoM poly him, god is now a sheep waiting to be slaughtered. Once sheeped, level one fireball, frost bolt, repeat until he is dead. Remeber you have to be at 30 yard range for the fireball. If you have PoM Wind up the fireball then PoM the frostbolt. If he get close CoC, fireblast, FN. He is a fish in a barrel. Bottom line, you should not lose this fight, and unless he is a god and you are a tard you should win.

Warlocks: Run, or if forced to fight in a manner that isn't cheesy, cause he might spit on you afterwards. My prefered method of meeting the end well is, chain frost bolts to start. Counterspell anything that makes his hand glow black. trinket out of fear one, ice block out of fear two, let fear three end naturally. Chaining as much damage as you can to him as fast as you can is the rule. Unload everything in the begining. IF he has soul link (his health goes down half as quick) this is over run now, he can't catch you. Remove his curses as he lays them. Make sure its not a level one decoy curse, but only if you have time. If you ambush him odds are better, especially if he is fighting a mob.

Druids: That tiny chance that you had with a warlock is gone. If you can nuke him to half hitpoints, FN+silence+FB+CoC when he returns to caster form. IF you can do this before he instant heals to full you might win. If you can counter a healing spell you might win. I don't want to waste too much time talking about them as we really are screwed anyway you put it. If you ambush them, mount up and run.

Priests: Arcane missiles if he mindflays (blue beam), frost bolt if he doesn't. Move quickly, dropping his dots/fear with iceblock. When he heals himself sheep him, once he is done. Be conservative trying to force him to heal. Bandage when he is sheeped, evoc as needed. If he drops below 50% use the combo to finish him. In this case 30/21 has an advantage as a PoM fireball is a trick most preists don't expect from a frost mage. You might very well die once the fight is over but don't let that stop you. This is a tough but winnable fight. Remeber that if a priest runs towards you he wants to fear you. Open your sheeps with a fireball. One last point. If a priest is at 3/4 and is healing counter the heal and kill him. You have 10 seconds so just nuke like hell. If you ambush them sheep them, then nuke.

Hunters: Armor up, mana shield and ice barrier. Charge the hunter, blinking about 10 feet in front of him. You appear behind him, frost nova and sheep his pet. This counters the trap and takes the pet out of comabt for the next 50 seconds. He will most likely concussive shot you to disrupt the poly, ice block out and poly anyway. If you are desparate, i.e he succeds in stopping your poly, and you are 30/21 you can PoM poly his pet. The key to this battle once the pet is taken care of is not to stand on top of him, but to circle around using CoC to keep him close. IF he feigns death IAE to damage him and bring him back into combat, describe a circle around him to avoid any traps. The key is constant damage. Always hurt him so IAE till he dies, fire blast, CoC and FN. If you ambush him sheep him pet level one bolt on him to put him in combat and run towards him blinking to close ground.

Warriors: Warriors have three shots to kill you, and you have three shots to die. First things first, assuming that you are both mutually aware and he charges or he gets the drop. Remeber that the charge stun is 1 second. Don't blink. Frost Nova and run, then sheep him. If you are both mutually aware and you have time run into his range and FN, then sheep. If he breaks the nova and then intercepts this is time two to kill you, blink now and sheep him. You can PoM if your scared. Remeber have your shields up. Once sheeped, run out quick if he intercepted, run in just inside FN range if he didn't. FN, CoC FB combo and then run sideways. Here is shot three to kill you, the hamstring. If he gets a finger on you and hamstrings you block, if the timers are not up wait them out then go back to it. If he has a million hitpoints work on it, cycling blinks and FN and coc's to keep him away. Intercept is on a relatively long cooldown and if it takes that long to kill him your in trouble. If you ambush, Frost Bolt spam till he dies

Other mages: I don't give out secrets to beating me.... but really its a huge huge things with a million permutations of what can and can't happen. Thye bottom line is Block out of the sheep right when he launches hi opener. Don't get snared against and ice mage. Use the FN silence thing and remeber that your cold snap resets the ward timers, which you want to always have up. Sheep th other guy right off the bat if fire, wait fort his sheep if frost. You don't want to have arcane countered cause the frost mage will nova you and then FB+CoC.

Paladins: For those of you out there who know these guys they are a joke. Here is a fun fact. Countering a paladin shuts down all his spells from ever school. Ain' that nifty. They have a resistance aura that matches you style so luck can do you in but the basic strategy is sheep them. I like to FN sheep and it removes any chance they will hit me. Once sheeped then back up and lob frost bolts. Even if he chain cleanses, which he will, the snare is reapplied the moment aftewards. Also remeber that if he has blessing of freedom run till its on cooldown. A good strat is run sideways throwing fireblasts over your shoulder till he is at half, counter his heal and kill. If he bubbles to heal then banadage evocate, mana gem and keep running. If he heals at 80% stop attacking while he heals, kill his mana pool.

Shamans: Shamans are a class I have never dueled. however I know what it means to face them on the battle field and I have played them. IN the end it comes down to who gets the first move. IF its you you win, if its them they win. Polymorph. Back up to max range, nuke, counter a heal, if he instant heals, PoM the polymorph or counter him, polymorph. Use the nova counter combo to kill him. Since the nature of totems is that they really can't be removed without hurting your gameplan, remeber that arcane explosion isn't absorbed by grounding totems so can be used to hurt him. Run away, toss fireblasts. Pray. This is a very difficult battle made easier by loads and loads of damage gear. My Frost bolts do 700 damage, the two I can get on hjim before he is in shocking range can be half of his life. I then nova counter, FB+CoC (pray for 2.5K) , PoM fireball for 900, fireblast, before if he is good after if he is dumb. This killl most shamans dead.

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brate ti bukvalno trazis filing ... To je nemoguce opisati niti objasniti
nije sve u tipkama dosta je stvari do mozga
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"posto nisam noob.,,msm jesam" ... svasta ima na ovom gamersu ...

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"posto nisam noob.,,msm jesam" ... svasta ima na ovom gamersu ... :P
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PVP Zahteva mnogo skilla nije to da procitas neki tutorial i da ownas, moras da pregledas brdo i brdo moviea i brdo i brdo sati da provedes sklapajuci svoje neke talente, spellove, macroe etc

Evo ti i neki macroi za pocetak, prouci ih, pogledaj sta koji macro radi i polako se steli kao sto sam rekao pregledaj brdo i brdo filmova na jutubu
kao sto su i oni rekli to je do feelinga, kao sto bi ceca rekla nemas osjecaj za feeling, trebas napamet znat ovo ono, mage je je***a klasa, ja sam igro sa fire mageom i sucko sam ko veliki, ali umjetnost je igrati sa hunterom i to jos surival jest da su ga unakazili kad su dali svima kill shot ali idalje explosiv shot pravi po 16k :D
ma niko ti ovde ništa pametno nije rek'o.
dobro, sem ovog na engleskom, ne da mi se čitati.
kakvo gledanje klipova da naučiš igrati, ne gubite se.
sve klase su stvar iskustva, igraj i naučićeš.
do 10k HK's nemoguće je da ne naučiš bar 50%.
Ako si na private trebao si prvo lvl up tj se vjezbat sa njim i iskoristivati razlicite magije...To je jedini karakter sa kojim nisam isao u pvp ali znaju biti veoma gadni...po mom misljenju pala-prist ubitacni ;)
v3Tr0x je napisao/la:
ma niko ti ovde ništa pametno nije rek'o.
dobro, sem ovog na engleskom, ne da mi se čitati.
kakvo gledanje klipova da naučiš igrati, ne gubite se.
sve klase su stvar iskustva, igraj i naučićeš.
do 10k HK's nemoguće je da ne naučiš bar 50%.
/facepalm :S vidis da smo mu svi isto rekli da je to do feelinga a feeling se postize s iskustvom
Hvala Svima .........dosta mi je pomogao guide na engl hvala mnogo......
o kakvom li vi feelingu pricate da mi je znati lol, sve sto sam procito je rubbish.

Zaboravi private shit ako to igras i pocni igrati pravu igru.

Prvo.. odakle trebas poceti je keybindati svaki abbility koji imas. Mage je klasa sa najvise CCa u igri, te najvise survivabilitya sa odlicnom dozom bursta. Igraj dok ne memorises kompletno sve bindse, ako imas veci monitor, odmakni ga koliko je moguce radi lakse preglednosti i memorisanja bindsa. Koristi samo par addona, oni koji su ti najvise potrebni i izbaci nepotrebne. Preporucujem za pocetnika da koristis samo Afflicted/Interrupt bar i mozda jos Power Auras. Izbrisi backpeddaling key, aka "s" i koristi mis za okretanje.

Koristi sve osnovne mage macrose, mozes ih naci na arenajunkies.com.
Idi na warcraftmovies.com i pregledaj prvo pvp filmove od strana mage veterana (platinum titule etc) iz starijih expanzija pa ter predji na novi content da bi sve polako mogao razumjeti.

Vjezbaj, duelaj samo ljude koji imaju pojma i gledaj na koji nacin gubis i zasto. Ne pokusavaj biti brz u svim situacijama, mage-evi koji inace counterspellaju iste sekunde kada vide casting bar obicno samo potrose cooldown jer je prvi cast u opasnosti fakecast. Nabavi najbolju profesiju za pvp, aka engineering.

Igraj battlegroundse i izbjegavaj masivni ZERG, trazi vise 1v1 ili 1v2 situacija, iz HK farmanja na zergu nista neces nauciti.
Igraj i vjezbaj dok ne dobijes predstavu sta druge klase imaju i mogu iskoristiti protiv tebe, te kad i zasto trebas iskoristiti svoj pvp trinket. Wow je brza igra šaha i svaki potez je jedan GCD.

GL.
Za mass PvP treba ti 2 macroa i to je to.

#sowtooltip
/cast [nopet][target=pet, dead] Summon Water Elemental
/click PetActionButton5

#showtooltip Ice Block
/stopcasting
/cancelaura Ice Block
/cast Ice Block

Za arenu još focus Sheep i focus CS i to je to.

Od onih sitnih trikova iz rukava, koje svaka klasa ima imaš samo Frostbolt rank 1.

Što se rotacija tiče, u WotLK-u,
- Nova => CoC => DF => FB FB IL;
Mimo toga samo šiješ FB, dok ne proca nešto.

Moraš naučiti kako kroz 1gcd odraditi FB i IL. Dalje samo vježba.

I kad sheepuješ druida otvori prozor i skoči kroz njega, to je sva mudrost.

EDIT: E, da, moraš i frostchain naučiti, al' za to ti treba elemental ready i po mogućnosti CD reseter.
Ne znam realno što se zamaraš sa ovim već l33tmofo comboima tj mage/mage gdje je čisti pureness/skill effect tražen. Tu ako jedan lik zasere (pogrešan cs, missuse spella) gg ti je automatski. Počneš prvo od simple comboa ako se fokusiraš na arenu, kao npr rogue/mage, pa pak pokušaš takodjer sp/mage ili disc/mage. Počinješ switchanje sa takvim stvarima. Takodjer možeš da počneš igrati 3s, igraš shatterplay (sp, mage, healer), rmp (rogue mage priest) i slične comboe ili čak cc play (lock mage drooid). Sve je to do stila igre i sati provedene gledajući pojedene video i sl. Najviše ćeš naučiti kao što je rekao indiron na greškama, u duelima. Duel npr mage v mage dueli, ko šta gdje, kako početi, kad trinketati, šta čekati. Jedan pogrešan trinket, move izgubiš i onda znaš ubuduće da netreba tako. Par macroa je iznad naveo v3tr0x. Kao ostali:

DF (deep freeze)/ DF focus

#showtooltip
/stopcasting
/cast [mod:shift,target=focus] Deep Freeze; Deep Freeze

decurse macroi

/cast Remove Lesser Curse
/stopcasting
/cast [target=player] Remove Lesser Curse

Nešto za početak jer je osnovno. Sa vremenom na vrijeme ćeš se navići na setupe i to je to.

Prijavi se da bi odgovorio/la na ovu temu.